Friday, April 11, 2008
July 4-10-08
WouldntULike2Know- 4/10
Bumble: Post class derrida
Something that you said in class today really stood out to me and I can not seem to shake it from my mind. How in the world do we get through a single day? Language is a twisted net of words and expressions that are all clearly ambiguous and lack any structure. The essence around the word will shift what you feel or think about something at any given time. Mental state and language have more to do with each other than I ever could have imagined. Will there ever be any electrical device that we can hook up to our minds to try to understand another person’s thought processes?
It is scary enough trying to stop and watch our thoughts, in fact according to many Buddhist teachings one of the greatest challenges of meditation is to shut out and shut down the thoughts. It is almost as though your mind has a life of its own, running on auto pilot, and directing you to a new web and circle of understanding. I was thinking about what Derrida said about meaning being deferred. This is too true; there is no way of truly understanding something. In fact we will never know exactly what someone else meant by something because we are not them, and our life experiences have shaped our understanding of things entirely differently. So again this goes to the dilemma of how in the world we all understand each other. It happens on a daily basis that people do not understand the same set of language codes, and somehow the problem is easily solved. Even today I was explaining that I wanted to get some FRO-YO, which is short hand for frozen yogurt. The person who I was speaking too looked at me as though I had multiple heads and finally asked, I am sorry… but what do you want? Just imagine how many times you hear something that you might not understand and how many times you actually bother to clarify the exact meaning. We all make assumptions about language, and luckily we understand each other, but often misunderstandings and miscommunication are the greatest source of relationship problems. It seems as though our understanding should be natural, because it is so a part of our life, but not everyone understands what we do, EXACTLY how we do. These miscommunications are all around us, even when people do not understand a certain culture, for example gymnastics. When I was younger and used to compete in meets, no one would ever understand what I meant when I would say I have to go to a meet this weekend. What is the cutest to observe though is little children who are still learning a lot of the language, they try sometimes so hard to express something, and simply can not. Their determination gets weary and often they will break down crying because they are so upset that no one understands them. Somehow though years later we are able to express ourselves much more clearly!
What is remarkable to me is when people go to a new country and somehow, without understanding a single word, can learn how to communicate. Our minds must be pretty powerful machines!
The game of telephone brought me back to my childhood, where we would play this game endlessly and laugh when a word like Dog turned into Booger. This game proves the selectiveness of hearing and ability of memorization and also the simple not understanding of things.
What Derrida explained about the further from the root source you go it ceases to have any original value, reminded me of Benjamin’s theories on authenticity. Is the original word and authentic, and by replicating it, you are losing the presence of the original. It is the same as when people tell a story about an event that happened the night before. By the 3rd person who is telling the story half of the details are lost, and the meaning changes. In fact this is the core of rumors and gossip. Never jump to conclusions that someone started a rumor… there is a good chance that it is simply the natural phenomenon that Derrida talks about straying from the original.
sawsaw Bourdieu (post-power point)
Another similar quote said by Bourdieu caught my attention. He writes on page 332, "If the printed press should happen to raise an issue-a scandal or a debate- it becomes central only when TV takes it up and gives it full orchestration, and, thereby, political impact." I found this quote to be very interesting because I feel now a days people only look to TV for their news. Most people turn on the TV or look on the internet for their news. It is only until the stories are showed on TV that they gain political influence and become well established.
sawsaw 4/10
Thursday, April 10, 2008
NewYorker 4/10
Further, a classmate and I were talking about today's class, how we took a random, and simple word (that we all knew since we were kids) and riffed on it and its definition. We began just talking to each other in terms learned from class, and started laughing about how academic we sounded, and that only us, having taken this class, could understand what we were saying.
ChittyChittyBangBang 4/10
I liked the "telephone", or "rumors" as Dr. Rog refers to it as, exercise as well. Even though we are amazing and held the value of the statement all the way across the room. It was still an effective example of Derrida's concept. We are so far away from "the original" or "ur". Over time, erasure and differance has brought us so far away from the beginning text that we cannot go back. The original meaning and validity gets lost in culture the farther away it gets.
I thought the exercise with the dictionaries was funny. It is interesting to think that we rely on dictionaries to answer all our questions about words and their meanings. Although Dr. Rog proved that at the root of every word there is nothing but difference. Trying to find the definition of Cookie was an adventure, there were repetitions and contradictions and we didn't seem to really get anywhere. Although due to our common set of assumptions most of us know what a "cookie" is. I also found it interesting when Dr. Rog asked us all to pronounce "lead" and we all said a different pronunciation of it. It can mean different things but we don't know what it means without its context. I actually really like Derrida's concepts and am encouraged to re-read his article now.
Nichole 4-10
First, I have to say that we have completed a WILD task of getting a correct telephone message all the way around the room. That is record breaking.
Even though the game didn’t really prove Doc Rog’s point, the class got the message that I had talked about in my pre blog for Derrida but can now put a name to the concept that I understood earlier: that is differ ance. This means that the farther you are removed from a work, the less true that word is to its inherent meaning. I used the example of when we did the exercise in class in the beginning of the semester with the stories of baby shoes turning into complete narratives after seeing the series of words. Similarly, I took four VERY long years of Latin in boarding school and three VERY long semesters at Rollins and would always get this: “O latin, that’s a good language to take, it is the root of all languages, you can understand all others now, right? And you must have good English grammar too!” Yea right! I wish I could but very few words are actually similar to other languages. That is because, as Derrida would explain, the words a differed. Latin evolved into romance languages and from there evolved into other languages until we came up with modern day English. My English grammar is so far removed from the root, Latin, that I don’t even recognize the relationship. AH ha! That is ideology at work. Something that has become so common sense I don’t even see it in effect (to site my friend Hebdige). Basically what it comes down to is that we have to “free ourselves from these mechanisms” by looking for “the trace”, or root of the words slash ideologies, so we do not get carried away in a sea of ideologies that have been established over time.
booboo bear April 10
Who is to say the journalists are not already part of the intellectual crowd? What defines someone as being a part of the intellectual crowd? If anything, I think we could say they are very much part of the intellectual crowd. They inform the public of information and events that they don’t already know about. To me, I consider them part of the intellectual crown because they know something that the average person does not know about. The fact that they know stories, events, and information the normal person doesn’t know about and they inform the public about them, that makes them the intellectual crowd. Some would say they are not intellectuals because they do not talk about intellectual topics. What is one man’s trash is another man’s treasure. Some people might not consider some topics intellectual but other might find it very interesting and thought provoking. If you read through a newspaper you might not find topics that interest you on the first page, especially if Brittney Spears just got a divorce, but if you look through the whole thing you will find a ton of information that is very “intellectual”. Just because something isn’t pertaining to politics or world peace or Hegemony doesn’t mean it is not intellectual. Most people would see an article on Tiger Woods and automatically assume its not intellectual. Well if someone is breaking down his scoring and results over the past 10 years and comparing and contrasting his scores and performances to Jack Nicklaus and then describing how his opponents are intimidated by his presence so much their scores go up just, why cant that be intellectual? What makes something intellectual? Why is it that just because someone doesn’t have 10 books written on their resume or they have a couple letters behind their name, they are not considered intellectual?
Wednesday, April 9, 2008
Elizabeth Byrne -Derrida
I also agree with "WouldntULike2Know" about how people say xerox instead of copy. I think it is similar to how Dr. Rog was talking about the word "bling" and how words are used and then picked up as natural or "normal" to say. Because of the culture and society that we live in we know things because of the knowledge that we have.
We can't escape the signs or signifies because as Nichole talks about we wouldn't know which bathroom was for men or women. Images are everywhere and we interpret them all differently but just as Habermas has talked about how media and culture are synonymous. One is constantly influencing another which also links to how youtube and multi-million dollar movies are continuously working off one another.
kMO 4/1
As much as I would enjoy just bashing Fox news it would be unfair to exclude other news channels from this concept. No matter what news source a person chooses they are always going to be subjected to bias information due to government involvement... After class I realized that Herman and Chomsky's explanations of propaganda fit right into our discussions...All of these theorists hold valuable ideas regarding the media's effect on Americans. One of the largest problems we face is the gullability of those the media is reaching. Without proper evidence NO-ONE should take anything said on the news too much to heart. It is also very important read into and acknowledge the underlying messages found in our daily news...
Nichole, Derrida
In Jiggy’s blog, he talks about Derrida’s idea that there are no longer innocent texts. Everything that we see for the first time is linked “to a chain of signifiers” which we have seen before. This concept reminds me so much of Barthes discussion of the understanding of words, but instead of words we are now examining images. Think back to the exercise we did in class with the stories or screen plays that we made up based on a series of words. We all witnessed first hand how a chain of words previously read can significantly change the direction of a story and in the end we all ended up with different ones. Well I think the same works here in saying that everything we see, we connect to previous experience with signifiers. Thus, we may not all get exactly the same meaning out of an image every time. In fact, that most likely is never the case.
I like how Jiggy brings up the idea that if we had no experience or didn’t make connections to past experiences, our existence would be very difficult. He uses the example of golden arches associated with food but it can literally be linked to anything, even our most primal instincts would be thrown off if we didn’t have a greater understanding of previous experience with images and signifiers. Just think: we wouldn’t even know where to use the restroom when we need it (instead we might think someone was trying to go tribal on us and painting men and women on certain doors). The spine of our existence would no longer exist. This kind of proves everything that we have discussed over the course of the semester in saying that signs and ideologies are literally everywhere and have become so “normal” to us that we don’t even recognize what we would or wouldn’t be without that saturation in our heads.
kaymac derrida
One of the things I understood was about language. "Within a language, within the system of language, there are only differences...These differences play a role in language, in speech as well, and in the exchange between language, in speech as well, an din the exchange between language and speech. On the other hand, these differences are themselves effects. " (127)
DeSaussure is definitely speaking through him on this, which is probably why I understood it. What we understand in language is because we understand what is missing. I think that concept goes into what Derrida is saying about differance. (Which makes sense because he did use this concept to explain it). He explains that differance is neither active nor passive, but in the middle. It's like a color. A color is neither active nor passive, it just is (at least in my opinion). But we also use colors to signify things but here we are using differance to signify the the process and theology behind signing, difference, and everything of that sort, so isn't Derrida kind of digging himself into a hole?
"Being/speaks/through every language,/every where and always/." (140). It took him so long to get to this point. I could have said this in a passing conversation. Everybody and everything speaks through everything and everybody all the time everywhere. However, it is the process of signification that has me interested.
romulus Derrida
WouldntULIke2Know Derrida
kMO Bourdieu
Bourdieu believes that having the power to control a person's public existence (ones ability to be seen as a "public figure") is the key to success. This type of responsibility is very important and comes with a high level of respect. My question now becomes why are journalists regarded as structurally inferior in today's society. Bourdieu suggests the idea that journalists want nothing less than to be part of the intellectual crowd - which is potentially why many tend to lean toward anti-intellectualism may be part of it... But how can one hold the power to decide WHO we listen to yet still be considered socially inferior?
NewYorker - Derrida
I was confused though when he was talking about difference and differance, because differance is not a real word. I was also confused about what he meant by temporalizing and temporalization.
But then he goes on to define the word differance - "differance is not simply active...it rather indicates the middle voice, it precedes and sets up the opposition between passivity and activity." (120). Here it seems to have created a binary stance - something that Habermas would agree with.
When he then speaks about the common and identifiable definition of 'to differ,' "the sense of not being identical, or being other, of being discernable," (124) this links back to when we spoke in class about previous knowledge builds on how we learn new things. Backgound also influences what people think of certain things. One person may think something is the same (like the taste of Burger King hamburgers and the taste of McDonalds's) while another person is able to recognize a difference. Same thing goes for many other examples such as recognizing shades of a color, a fake brand bag, etc. Also, common knoweldge comes into play when we recognize that a camera is still a camera even if it comes in different sizes or colors, or that a car is still a car even though there are different models, shapes, sizes and brands. So what's the difference?
Jiggy Derrida
boo boo bear Derrida
I disagree with this statement completely. I think this is part of the problem with “academic” writers. They view speech and writing as two completely different things. Writing should be speaking on paper. The very thoughts that person is thinking or feeling should be put on the paper the same way they would say it in a casual conversation. Where does the transfer take place where someone thinks understandable conversation and decides when they put it on paper they have to pretend to be really smart by saying things in a complicated way? I’m not saying everything should be written at a 5th grade reading level but when there is a class full of college students that read something and only a handful can truly grasp what the writer is intending to say, there is a serious problem. Reading should come as fluent as listening to a speaker and vice versa. There are too many things that I read as a student that I have to read sentences three times just to have somewhat of a clue what the writer is talking about. What is the point in writing something if it isn’t a joy to read? At the same time, there are a lot of speakers that need to relax their minds and speak at a conversational tone, just like some writers do. Speaking should be easy and flowing just like a conversation with a friend is like. The place I see this most is when people pray. As a Christian I encounter too many people trying to pray like they are so smart and holy, when in reality prayer is just simply conversation with God, no different than writers having conversation with their readers.
I may be taking this completely out of context because I don’t really know what this guy is talking about, if so sorry.
sawsaw Bourdieu
Another quote I found to be interesting is on page 329: "TV news, 'suits everybody because it conforms what they already know and, above all, leaves their mental structures intact." This quote is saying that TV news doesn't force people to think and gives them what they already know. Bourdieu is criticizing the TV news and saying that it doesn't allow the audience to question and analyze the news mentally.
Starfish Derrida
In the Speech/writing section I found it interesting that do very different things like speech and writing could be compared to each other. The reading stated that writers such as Hegal and Saussure have, “privileged speech over writing on the grounds that it is closer to inwardness and thought, and so treated writing as merely a technical derivation from speech, a writing down of what is already there” 114. I was surprised to see that writers preferred speech over writing, when their lives are based around putting down their thoughts onto paper. I also do not agree that speech is closer to inwardness and thought. Although you speak your mind and speak what is inside of you, when you write you are transferring your thoughts onto paper, therefore writing is equally as close to inwardness and thought in my opinion. Sometimes writing is even closer to inwardness than speech because you may write something that you would never feel comfortable to say out loud.
Another part of the reading that I found interesting was when Derrida discusses the definition of difference. “The verb ‘to differ’ seems to differ from itself” 120. The word difference had two definitions that are very distinctive from each other. This just proves that differences are everywhere in our culture, including within the word itself.
Finally, I liked Derrida’s thoughts on signs. “…a sign is put in place of the thing itself…Signs represent the present in its absence...the movement of signs defers the moment of encountering the thing itself, the moment at which we could lay hold of it” 125. I automatically thought of literal signs and moving or traveling down a road in Orlando. Everywhere you see signs for Disney World, 15 miles etc. These are representing the present, because Disney world exists but they are also representing it’s absence because Disney world is not where we see these signs, we need to drive further
ChittyChittyBangBang Derrida
Although from what I gathered he made some interesting points. He referred to some of De Saussure's principles of semiotics. As Sausurre said, "In language there are only differences" (16). According to Derrida, "Differance is neither a word nor a concept..." (120) He points out the separation of difference from differance as, "differance points out the irreducibility of temporalizing...Differance is not simply active; it rather indicates the middle voice..."
Derrida focuses some on the letter A which is the most important difference in differance. With it's a, differance more properly refers to...the origin or production of differences and the differences between differences, the play of difference." Macherey says that, "What is important in the work is what it does not say" (18). Differance could be read as an open text. We need to turn the text inside out to really understand it and read it from multiple angles.
Differance is more than just a word. I found it interesting the way Derrida would speck of letters such as a and e. The structure of a word can influence its signs and meanings so much. Words can mean so many different things. It reminds me of our class discussion about Hebdige. We have a common set of assumptions but some words have different meanings based on people's interests and backgrounds. So words are ambiguous in that sense.
Bumble: Derrida: differance
Derrida’s
Discombobulating perception of language reminds me very much of De Saussure’s explanation of language and the ambiguity of words and meanings.
Difference according to Derrida is neither a word or a concept. From his explanation that it can mean, “distinction, inequality, or discernibility,” proves the point that a word as general as Difference can be packed with an enormous assortment of meanings and contexts. I was thinking about all of the different ways to use Different. He describes this term to mean ambiguous, there is essentially no meaning, it is too general. Unless you understand the context of what is going on, it is essentially impossible to define.
I loved how Derrida used the word “Assemblage” to attempt to define and describe the term difference. His parallel to De Saussure is very strong in this portion of the essay. He wrote that assemblage allows for, “bringing- together proposed here has the structure of an interlacing, a weaving, or a web, which would allow the different threads and different lines of sense or force to separate again, as well as being ready to bind others together” (Derrida 121). The meaning of words is entirely based on pulling together your past experiences and knowledge to try to make sense of something. Every single context is different, and therefore the lightest change of a letter (like he talks about with the letter a) and the pulling together an infinite number of ways to perceive a word in its context, changes the entire perception of what someone is saying. It is very powerful because it could even be a different meaning to the same person five minutes from when it was said before. The world is always changing, so your mental state and mind set might have shifted dramatically even within such a small portion of time. That is why I love his explanation of the word through this other word ‘assemblage.’ Derrida likes to think of difference as a, “whole complex of meanings…” (Derrida 125).
One of the large problems with this way of thinking is that people look for definitions, “that moves according to the discursive line of a rational order” (Derrida 123).
Derrida gives credit to De Saussure to the conflation of the terms arbitrary and difference. Even though it seems to be a common perception in post modernism to consider language and word selection quite dependent on the context. Whether it is Machery and Bhartes discussing the Gap and Tmesis, or it is talking about defining a culture according to Althusser.
Also, if differences in language have been produced, as nothing is natural ( or fallen from the sky as he puts it) and everything is culturally created, then who exactly created the various meanings?
Monday, April 7, 2008
kMO 3/27
The idea that advertisers will want, more generally, to avoid programs with serious complexities and distubing convtroversies that interefere with the buying mood also fits into the above statement. In my opinion it seems nearly impossible to find the pro's of a news channel such as Fox. What exactly could one advertise? It seems that at some point that same product could be torn apart by Fox itself. No one and no prodcut is safe from the brutal opinions of this particular media concentration...This set of ideas became much more clear to me post - class.
Cuckoo 4.1
sawsaw Derrida
I learned a lot from this essay by Derrida and have found it be very truthful in our culture. The question I am left with after reading the essay is how the same people who define "normalcy" in our society are the same people who are accepting "difference?"